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City council: 'God' sign not a violation

City councilmembers defend ''One nation under God'' banner approval

Staff Writer

When the Hesperia City Council voted on June 20 to add a sign reading "one nation under God" to the council chambers, they were doing more than just adding a decorating touch to the room: They were also the latest government body to become involved in an ongoing debate over the separation of church and state.

In 2004, the United States Supreme Court considered a case originally brought by a California atheist who objected to his daughter being forced to include the words "under God" in the daily pledge of allegiance at school. (The words have been part of the United States Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.) The court eventually chose to not render a decision on the words and the question of whether their inclusion violates the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state, but instead threw the case out on technical grounds.

That same year, the county of Los Angeles bowed to complaints -- including a threatened lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union -- about a cross appearing in the county's official seal and removed the image.

The potential for a similar lawsuit in Hesperia did occur to Hesperia City Council members, they said.

"In my mind, it came up, but not with discussing with other council members," Mayor Rita Vogler said. "It's amazing to me how we get away from the important things in life, the simple things. Is it religion? 'One nation under God?' I don't say that's religion; that's informing us of who we are as a nation."

"It's in our pledge," Mayor Pro Tem Mike Leonard said. "We say our pledge every meeting. They say the pledge in school, or they used to, in school."

"It was a factor, but not necessarily a negative factor," Councilman Tad Honeycutt said. "I did think about that, I did consider that, as a possibility. ... I think it's a good way to honor our historical heritage of our country."

City attorney Eric Dunn did not include any legal advice on the issue in the agenda packet given to council members prior to the June 20 council meeting. Agenda packets include dozens of pages of background information intended to help the council make decisions.

The five-member council voted unanimously to add the sign to council chambers.

If the day comes where someone does file a lawsuit regarding the phrase, it may well end up coming down in lieu of the city paying for an expensive court battle.

"Obviously, I won't go crazy with taxpayer dollars, but I think it's time for cities and states and counties to stand up for who we are," Vogler said. "I've gotten some letters that ... are expressing some concerns about one nation under God."

"'In God We Trust' has been through the court system and has been fine," Leonard said. "Someone needs to make an issue of it. It won't be us; we can't afford it. I don't know how you could justify spending taxpayer money on a lawsuit."

"I kind of feel like when they take the Ten Commandments out of the [United States] Supreme Court [building], maybe then we should worry," Honeycutt said. "What difference would it make, having that phrase in Hesperia?"

"I would hope that more communities would get behind us," Vogler said.

Beau Yarbrough can be reached at 956-7108 or at beau@hesperiastar.com.


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The American Constitution and Bill of Rights introduced a new relationship between religion and government. Prior to 1789, almost every European country maintained a close relationship between church and state. James Madison, the principal drafter of the First Amendment, proposed that, unlike European states, the government should not tax its citizens to support religious activities, nor should it promote religious beliefs, and that all religious beliefs should be treated equally and fairly. He believed that religion would thrive best when the government did not promote some religious beliefs to the exclusion of others. Madison’s ideals, now embodied in the Constitution, were exactly right. Americans enjoy more religious freedom than do people in any other country in the world. Unfortunately, some people are now trying to use government power to promote religion in exactly the way the Constitution wisely rejected. The ACLU works to ensure that people remain free to choose which religious beliefs ,or none, they wish to express and that governments, school boards, and legislatures do not become involved in deciding which religious beliefs should be promoted or in spending taxpayer dollars to support religious activities and symbols.

taxpayer - Jul 23, 2007 01:59:36 PM Remove Comment

 
"Someone needs to make an issue of it" eh, Mr. Leonard? Well, that someone would be me, a card-carrying member of the ACLU who just happens to pay taxes in Hesperia. Get ready for your lawsuit!

Linda - Jul 17, 2007 06:44:52 PM Remove Comment

 
It won't be us, we can't afford it. I don't know how you could justify spending taxpayer money on a lawsuit" -M. Leonard Mr. Leonard, who's paying for your God banner? Don't charge me. Do your job, run the city, not it's culture.

Richard - Jul 13, 2007 04:16:32 PM Remove Comment

 
Palm Trees and a God banner. What Next?

Christine - Jul 08, 2007 09:44:58 PM Remove Comment

 
Interesting. The city could not afford to cover the open utility holes in the repaved in my area but we the taxpayers can front a bill for a chauvinistic display. Light bulbs in the street lights in Old Town need replacements, No, let's put up a sign showing how moral the council is. I elected these people to run this city. This sign should be on the bottom on a long list of priorities, if not off of it all together.

Richard - Jul 07, 2007 02:13:02 AM Remove Comment

 
An effective way to tell 14 precent of Americans that they arn't welcome - this is a Christians-only country. Thats exactly the type of situation the first amendment was written to prevent. Its intended to prevent any governmental agency either promoting or inhibiting religion in any way. Only by remaining neutral can religious freedom be ensured. Spending tax money to put up a large sign which might as well state This Town Serves The Christian God is clearly a promotion of religion. Even if it is representative of the locals its still a very clear endorsement of a particular religion.

Suri - Jul 04, 2007 09:36:19 AM Remove Comment

 
Hesperia City Council, Way to go. Pat yourselves on the back.

Lynnie - Jul 01, 2007 12:36:04 PM Remove Comment
 

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