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Letter to the Editor - April 9, 2009

HESPERIA

I have been a teacher in the Hesperia Unified School District since 1991.  I currently teach Chemistry and Physics at Sultana High School.  Our three daughters attended schools in our district.  We have been more than satisfied with the quality of their education.

Our Superintendent Mark McKinney is the first Superintendent who is not distant, who noticeably cares about the well being of every teacher and every student in every classroom.  I can call, email, or see him in his office any time I want to.  And he responds.

I never had serious issues with the school board in all my 18 years in the district.  However, my opinion is that the current school board presided by Dr. Kirk and now by Lee Rogers is the first board that demonstrates that they actually care about what was going on in every classroom, and the first board that gave open access to any employee to talk to them.  They have been a blessing to every student in our district.

I have known Dr. Kirk since I was hired at Hesperia High School 18 years ago.  He was chairperson of the science department both there and at Sultana HS.  He gave excellent leadership.  In the 90’s, he pioneered teaching our staff how to use email and how to do research online, when this was a new thing to most of us.  He was very popular among students.  He is the only teacher I know of that was voted “Teacher of the Year” at his site two different times.  Dr. Kirk helped build Sultana into a great school, ranked #2 in the entire High Desert.  He is compassionate, and a man of integrity.  I know he has prayed personally for my children.

So I was disturbed to find out there is an effort to recall Dr. Kirk.  And there has been an effort to get Mr McKinney fired.  I just do not understand this.  Dr. Kirk has given excellent leadership to our district.  Our School Board is doing double duty to bring our District through California’s financial crisis, meeting extra days and at times until midnight.  Many times I have driven past the District Office after hours and seen Mr. McKinney’s office lights on and his car alone in the parking lot.  Thank you, Dr Kirk and the School Board, and thank you, Mr. McKinney, for your dedication.

Furthermore, a recall election, from what I hear, would cost the district an additional $200,000.  A recall election financially would mean that three additional employees would get laid off.  That could be one custodian, one cafeteria worker, one teacher, making our schools less kept up, making lunch lines longer, making class sizes bigger.  A recall effort would be a wrong done to our students.


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Peanut Gallery, did you read what you just nwrote. You basically agreed with me. Free speech allows Mrs. Irwin or anyone else to be a public detractor.

HS Teacher - Apr 17, 2009 06:38:28 PM Remove Comment

 
You know as well as I do, that Edie Irwin being so public a detractor caused the reaction that was recieved. In the real world, the first person who should be contacted for clarification is the originator of the message or event not the publisher. The problem is that too few verify at the source and rely on the publisher for accuracy. Example, you just read a story or letter to the editor in the paper about kirk that so outrages you, lets just say it is one of Edie's letters accusing kirk of wrong doing, rather than call up Edie and ask her if mis-stated anything, you should call kirk for clarification. Did the removal of the computer for examination appear hostile or intimidating? I think it did. Should it have been done anyway? i think yes, as long as it was done within established rules.

peanut gallary - Apr 17, 2009 10:49:34 AM Remove Comment

 
Peanut Gallery, they were wrong weren't they? They must have cleverly assumed that the time it was posted in the paper was the same time she was allegedly typing it in her classroom. It would have taken a whole lot less time to call the paper and ask what those times represented, instead of removing her classroom computer to see what they could find. Sounds like more district intimidation of the opposition to me.

HS Teacher - Apr 16, 2009 04:12:19 PM Remove Comment

 
HS teacher, the problem with edie's letter was not that is was written, it was that they thought she did it during work hours on work computers. Teachers using husd time and equipment in the manner they accused her of warrented investigation by her principal.

peanut gallary - Apr 16, 2009 02:12:35 PM Remove Comment

 
agree you state that Kirk only believes in the rights of those that agree with him and with Paces EVERY WHIM. Otherwise, you state, that those who disagree with these two, AND funny now how Pace is in this, but those who disagree with them do so at their own peril. I have openly disagreed with Kirk, or, I guess you could say that Kirk has openly disagreed with me. After lengthy discussion we have agreed to disagree, like grownups do. I have NEVER been intimidated, harassed or fired by Kirk. I have been free to continue to pursue, ask questions, research, challenge and present my facts and viewpoints to him. The door has remained open. Perhaps this is because I afford the same grownup stance toward Kirk. I listen to what he has to say also and then I weigh what he has said and then I either hold my view or I realize that perhaps I DIDNT know everything there was to know!

IrritatedEducator - Apr 15, 2009 07:33:26 PM Remove Comment

 
more than irritated Ziesmer says he has never had SERIOUS issues with ANY board members throughout his 18 year tenure. However, professionally, Mr. Ziesmer is a recipient of the board's decisions on a DAILY BASIS. So, his professional and personal views ARE current. While Mr. Ziesmer may not speak at every board meetng he attends, he does attend meetings.

IrritatedEducator - Apr 15, 2009 07:15:01 PM Remove Comment

 
Irritated, you stated the problem so well about this editorial. It is just mr. z's professional opinion. This man NEVER attends board meetings and hasn't seen how Kirk acts on this board. His so called facts about Kirk are all in the past. As stated before, Kirk may not have been a bad teacher, but it has absolutely nothing to do with how he has been running this three ring circus for the past two and a half years.

more than irritated - Apr 15, 2009 06:33:33 PM Remove Comment

 
I find it very interesting that there are only 5 yes votes for this garbage and 22 votes against it. I would like to vote no but it won't accept my vote.

should be 23 - Apr 15, 2009 06:23:46 PM Remove Comment

 
Kirk only believes in rights for those who agree with everything he does. He intimidates, harasses, or even fires those who don't agree with his and Pace's every whim. But if you are willing to go as far as one Sultana teacher and worship the ground he walks on and help him get elected, you might expect a huge payoff. I haven't seen any evidence that Kirk has helped one student in the district, he has been too worried about what's in it for him and his buddies. He may have been a decent teacher, which is why he has a few naive supporters, but he is the worst board member in the history of Hesperia.

agree - Apr 15, 2009 06:17:21 PM Remove Comment

 
Peanut gallery, there was no evidence. It was just an attack on a teacher for writing letters to the newspaper. I believe we call that free speech. I was always taught that many in our military service gave up their lives fighting that we might be free. Doesn't that include Mrs. Irwin's rights?

HS Teacher - Apr 15, 2009 04:51:39 PM Remove Comment

 
HS teacher, your going to love this one. Helen proved the three mebers that include kirk, black and rogers had openly and verifiably broken the brown act by attending a cypress staff meeting, right? Wrong. The brown act specifically excludes two types of gatherings that a staff meeting might fall into. first, "Attendance by a majority of members at an open and publicized meeting of another body of the local agency, provided the members do not discuss among themselves matters within their jurisdiction that is not the subject of the meeting." and second, "The attendance of a majority of the members of a legislative body at an open and noticed meeting of a standing committee of that body, provided that the members of the legislative body who are not members of the standing committee attend only as observers." Now obviously the three did not believe they violated the brown act because, they didn't.

peanut gallary - Apr 15, 2009 02:56:03 PM Remove Comment

 
HS Teacher, I read fagens letter to the editor, helens good by speach and recall Davids stated reasons as published but I am sure i missed mintons pearls. David's stated reasons for leaving had more to do with his perception that the three board members represented the union not the public or the students,his oppinion supported by accusation interpetation of events. Helen provided more 'i have observed' statements, what she says she saw and how she said she felt can only be verified by those who she "saw" being attacked. The only specifics she gave were about Edie Irwin. Now explain how it is herrassment when your boss is provided evidence that appears to show you have done something and they call you in to confirm.

peanut gallary - Apr 15, 2009 02:50:17 PM Remove Comment

 
Parent, you did accuse kirk of seriel meetings AND if indeed kirk and black met with pace to discuss husd related business and then kirk and rogers had a similar meeting with pace reagrding the same issues the possibility of serial meetings does come into play. The illegality occures IF the purpose or implecation of the meetings was to establish an intent or agreement to vote a particular way. If this is what people are referring to as being a backroom deal, we will never be able to verify such deals have occured.

peanut gallary - Apr 15, 2009 01:50:48 PM Remove Comment

 
Parent. First, I do not believe the board should be made up entirely of teachers no matter who they are or how great a teacher. I believe the board needs a diversity of oppinion and background AND that members should disagree and "argue" thier point. In the last election we had an IT guy, we had a Financial Advisor, We had an educator, and we had bentley the gad fly. I single bentley out because all the candidates shared the experience of being parents and all had backgrounds and skills they thought would benefit the district by offering new skills and point of view to the board. Except Bentley, he brought the gad fly. The value a board member brings to the district IS thier background an experience not their congeniality.

peanut gallAry - Apr 15, 2009 01:44:43 PM Remove Comment

 
Peanut, you really didn’t answer the question. Your response says nothing about Kirk as a teacher, merely he has a long history of making good decisions in a teaching or military environment. Many police, firefighters, IT professionals, Engineers, and CalTrans workers have a long history of making good decisions and are respected for what they do. Does that mean that they too would be a good board member? If you believe that fine, but I believe that is naive. The claims were that because he was a Teacher he is a good board member. I’m not trying to nit pick, but understand some ones stance that somehow teachers with prior military service make good board members. Again, I’m not a supporter of Kirk, never claimed him to be a beast or even acted as if I hate “the man”, I can respect his military and teaching history. I just don’t feel that the two make him a good board member.

Parent - Apr 15, 2009 09:59:24 AM Remove Comment

 
Peanut, it is nice to have a civil discussion so please do not put words in my mouth. I never claimed Kirk to be evil, I’m not some nut that thinks what he does on the board is evil. Let me clarify, I wasn’t saying Kirk, Black, and Pace meeting was a Brown Act violation or serial meeting. What I was claiming were the Union meetings to discuss the recall. I’m not a lawyer, but I believe Black and Kirk meeting with union members to discuss the recall and then Kirk and Lee Rogers meeting with the union to discuss the very same items is a Brown Act violation. Again, I could be wrong and I’m more than willing to accept that. I understand the difference between fact and my opinion.

Parent - Apr 15, 2009 09:41:06 AM Remove Comment

 
Lets see how adult these board members act at the Monday, April 20th board meeting. Will they all show up and play nicely?

Lets see - Apr 14, 2009 09:37:14 PM Remove Comment

 
I've known Kirk for years, and I also know Helen Rogers. I've been exposed to both their teaching at various times, and I had favorable impressions of each. What struck me, as I viewed the board minutes, is the absolute lack of regard Kirk held toward Mrs. Rogers, who has taught longer than he. He demonstrated more than any words by any work friends that he was not a person of quality. Any person that treats others publicly with such callous disregard should be ashamed. THAT is why I think Robert Kirk is to be vilified. If his public behavior is any indicator of his behavior behind closed doors, he SHOULD resign. At least he would still be a man of his word.

Teacher - Apr 14, 2009 07:59:48 PM Remove Comment

 
Well peanut gallery I guess it is time to refresh your memory. Did you miss Dave Long telling the school board why he was resigning? Did you miss Bill Fagan's letter about why he resigned? Or perhaps you missed Helen Rodgers and Bruce Minton's farewell addresses? At least three, possibly all four were printed in the Star. All of these listed multiple incidents of treatment including driving quality employees from the district. You want someone to give you specific information. Pull your head out of the sand and do some research. The information is all out there. Multiple people have spoken out. Were you listening?

HS Teacher - Apr 14, 2009 05:43:45 PM Remove Comment

 
wow BS! So, let me get this straight. Your world view seems to be that anyone who supports or likes someone you do not, is, as you state, in it for something? Please! Mr. Ziesmer has every right to his personal and professional viewpoints regarding Dr. Kirk. Mr. Ziesmers comments and editorial were based on HIS personal and professional experiences.

IrritatedEducator - Apr 14, 2009 04:24:56 PM Remove Comment

 



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