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Letter to the Editor - March 13, 2007
It ain't speech Mr. Minton. It is, to use Justice Blackmun's words, an "absurd and immature antic, [that] in my view, was mainly conduct and little speech." Justice Blackmun wrote those words in the dissent of Cohen v. California in 1971. He was joined in this dissent by Justice Black and Chief Justice Burger (a strict constructionist and Nixon appointee). Cohen v. California began when Paul Cohen wore a jacket, out in the mere hallway of a Los Angeles Municipal Court, which vulgarly displayed his opinion of the draft during the Vietnam War.
The Marcel Marceau boxing of Charles Roedell has nothing to do with the issue of free speech, as Minton feebly, and -- it must be stated -- hypocritically, argues; it is, quite simply, an employer/employee conduct issue.
I heartily respect and staunchly defend freedom of speech. However, Mr. Roedell crossed the free speech threshold when his antics started disrupting the conduct of business at Hesperia Unified School District board meetings. Mr. Roedell, like all interested persons, is afforded his five minutes per meeting to petition HUSD for a redress of his grievances. He is more than welcome to hold his signs up during his five minutes. He should not be afforded a further right to behave badly, and disruptively, past that time limit because it has never been afforded to other persons. Quite frankly, the affording of a private box to Mr. Roedell constitutes a privilege that is denied to those who cannot find a seat in the crowded room. Mr. Roedell's conduct, not his speech, disrupts HUSD board business which must be accomplished during these meetings, and that is not protected under our constitution.
It also can be reasonably argued that Mr. Roedell's actions fall under the so-called "fighting words" concern, making them constitutionally unprotected. But let's get back to another real issue: employer/employee relationships.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why school district employees, and only school district employees, think they should be entitled to a right that is not afforded to any other employee in this great country.
How many hard-working plumbers, truck drivers, or any other workers think that they can get up at a meeting of their employer's board of directors and hold up signs that call their bosses and their board idiotic? Would you still have a paycheck coming if you did that? How many people think that Peter Day or Beau Yarbrough could regularly tell Don Holland and Steve Lambert that the Freedom Communication, Inc board of directors is run by idiots and that they are idiots for listening to that board -- and then still have their jobs in the morning? I am darn proud of the many teachers who I have encountered working for HUSD. But I do not believe that they should be granted a right to speak and behave in any manner they so choose with impunity. Teachers are special people who deserve respect, but nobody else in any profession is, or should be, granted that right.
Bruce Minton is a proven hypocrite on this issue because he, as HUSD board president, quashed speech that truly is free and specifically permitted under the Brown Act.
When Nellie Gogley asked to speak on the agendized issue of ending HUSD's public information officer position at the HUSD meeting held at Hesperia High School, it was Minton, and only Minton, who told her that she could not speak. And it was only words, not conduct, which Nellie wanted to share. And she was a private citizen at the time. Not only is that type of speech absolutely protected under the First Amendment, but the Brown Act also specifically permits any person to speak on any agenda item prior to the board acting on that item.
Bruce Minton, who now tries to portray himself as a free speech advocate, denied both a citizen's right to speak and their right to specifically address an issue the board planned to, and did, act on; which is a specific Brown Act violation. But, as the District Attorney has previously informed him, Bruce Minton, a lawyer, violates the Brown Act when it suits his purposes. And now Minton hypocritically tries to portray himself as a defender of free speech because it suits him, even though his opinion on the issue is misguided. He may be a lawyer, but that certainly does not make him a constitutional lawyer or scholar. Hmmm ... perhaps it is an election year in which his seat will be open. Beware the politician, like Bruce Minton, who says one thing but does another.
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| the HUSD employee who has responded here has said it best. Be part of the district and do your job as directed or move on and choose another location to work. I hold those with strong oppinions in high regard, especially those who believe so strongly they speak with actions that support thier beliefs. To turn this Charles Rodel issue into an issue of free speech rights is absurd. |
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| LBO - Mar 16, 2008 07:47:03 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Chris Bentley is the scariest person in Hesperia. Or perhaps I mean the person who writes for him is the scariest. |
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| lets move on - Mar 15, 2008 08:43:04 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Charles can fully express his opinion during his five minutes. He does not have a further right to disrupt the conduct of business at meetings past that point. No one else has ever had that right. I know from experience.
Speech has never been totally free or absolute. We cannot say racially offensive words in public and there are costs for those who do speak up. Read anything about E. V. Debs for info on the subject. Charles disrupts meetings when he goes past his five minutes, he disrupts any other speaker who is speaking when he holds up his signs during their time. He does not have a right to do that. HeRE falsely cries totalitarianism because he/she has no other valid argument in defense of Charles' disruptive behavior. Charles seeks special dispensation for being a teacher here and that is wrong. No other working person could get up and do to his employer's what Charles is doing to his. Haven't you seen the pink ladies repeatedly get arrested when they disrupt congressional hearings. It ain't speech, it's disruptive behavior. But Charles can, just like everybody else, express himself for five minutes every meeting. |
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| Chris B. - Mar 15, 2008 04:17:45 PM | Remove Comment |
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| HeRE, I know what you're saying, but my point was just because you may have the RIGHT to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Come to a board meeting sometime. They're fiascos, and our reputation is suffering for it. I'm not laying all of that on Charles' doorstep, but he's contributing. It's just embarrassing for EVERYONE, not just the three board members he's targeting. |
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| HUSD Employee - Mar 15, 2008 09:57:22 AM | Remove Comment |
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| It's not about whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Roedell's opinion. It's about his ability to express it. Preventing someone from expressing their opinion reeks of totalitarianism. It's a symptom of a deeper problem. If they do this in public, who is getting prevented from speaking in private? |
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| HeRE - Mar 15, 2008 08:39:29 AM | Remove Comment |
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| Amen. Thanks you for thinking about wht's best for our kids and district. |
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| geez - Mar 14, 2008 05:57:13 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Pay well? I'm not a particular supporter of Dr. Kirk or the new board. I agree with some of their decisions, most notably giving Mr. McKinney the superintendent position and disbanding the 6th grade schools though not for the reasons they've given publicly. I also disagree with a lot that's gone on. That isn't the point, though. Every board will have supporters and non-supporters. No getting around it. Either we stay with the district and do our jobs, or we go elsewhere. There are good people who have chosen both of these options. Those of us who have chosen to stay and do what's best for kids are obligated to support our cabinet and school board, whether we agree with everything they do or not. Mr. Roedell clearly has an opinion. I just can't agree with the manner in which he's expressing it, as it's making our district look like a joke. We're better than that. |
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| HUSD Employee - Mar 14, 2008 05:35:52 PM | Remove Comment |
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| mr kirk must pay well for these letters. |
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| Intimidated - Mar 14, 2008 05:23:35 PM | Remove Comment |
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| HUSD Employee makes a good point. The constant attacking of the board and its decissions is very destructive to HUSD as a whole. |
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| LBO - Mar 14, 2008 04:24:21 PM | Remove Comment |
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| I generally run about 80-20 opposed to Mr. Bentley's published opinions, but here he has a point. I'm not so much concerned with the First Amendment aspect, as it can probably be interpreted both ways. What does concern me as an employee of the district is the continued negativity and antagonism that Mr. Roedell's act brings to each and every board meeting. I know and respect Mr. Roedell, but the time has come to move on. You can literally feel the tension at board meetings when the signs start popping up. We need to move past this if we're ever going to grow as a district. Charles, please, you're a good guy, you've made your point. It's time to move on. |
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| HUSD Employee - Mar 14, 2008 11:31:10 AM | Remove Comment |
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| ChrisB, your ability to provide supporting material to support your arguments is astounding. I for one do not intend to verify your citations and statements of fact, however those who are going to make up thier mind based on your commentary should. The problem with our current recall situation and overall board hatred stems from loud mouths from all sides spouting 'facts' that are either untrue or incomplete. But honestly your well crafted responses and commentary are wasted in this situation becuase nobody is willing to be convinced of an alternate point of view. Again, you scare the hell out of me with all your quotes from the past. I swear you have a war room in your attic, plastered with articles, pictures and graphs all connected. |
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| LBO - Mar 13, 2008 06:38:02 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Do you know how easy it is to totally dismiss the credibility of someone who actually signs off as a hypocrite?
But I did get the DP publisher's name wrong. It is Stephan Wingert, not Steve Lambert. So, sincere apologies to Steve Lambert, whoever you are. |
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| Chris B. - Mar 13, 2008 05:24:18 PM | Remove Comment |
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| These letters are like a train wreck. You don't want to read them but you end up doing so. I find it interesting that Mr. Bentley, if it was indeed written by Chris Bentley, that he is now offerring up legal opinions. At least Bruce Minton has a law degree and has passed the state bar. Has the author of the letter? |
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| Hypocrite - Mar 13, 2008 01:19:39 PM | Remove Comment |







